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the plaintiff thought the masters almost

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this clearly maybe something there

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beyond the realm of man

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yes you do that's true dr. Zaius

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all right higher side chatters as we

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continue our adventure and examine our

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weird reality I think it's about time to

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revisit that tasty slice of the

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paranormal pie known as cryptozoology

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because like it or not thousands of

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people over the years have claimed to

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have encounters with everything from

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Bigfoot and dog men to lizard people and

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modern-day pterosaurs now while I find

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the subject fascinating one of my

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biggest complaints about the field is

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that were oftentimes digging up stories

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and accounts from decades or even

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centuries ago times far removed from our

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own with entities that should be long

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gone but today is a special case people

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because as you may not know we are in

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the midst of what seems to be the

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largest concentration of strange cryptid

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sightings in my lifetime and probably

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the largest sense that saga of the

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infamous Mothman of Point Pleasant back

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in the 60s as it seems one or several

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winged humanoids have taken to the skies

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of the Windy City and have been seen by

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far too many people now to be ignored

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well lucky for us we have one of

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cryptozoology x' most well-known and

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respected 40 and researchers and

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investigators to give us a scoop his

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name is lon Strickler the man behind the

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legendary phantoms and monsters blog

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author of several phantoms and monsters

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books host of arcane radio mystic at

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astral perceptions and the guy to talk

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to you when it comes to situations like

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we have in Chicago I know I'm psyched to

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find out what's going on here as well as

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with several of the other open and

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ongoing cases he's got on the books

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ladies and gentlemen Pennsylvania's own

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paranormal Person of Interest keeper of

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the fourteen files an explorer of

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everything lon Strickler my good man

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welcome to the higher side thanks for

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having me on Greg yeah this is a real

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treat for me I've been a fan of

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Phantom's and monsters for probably

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around a decade now and I just can't

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believe we're having such a situation

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where many people in one area are seeing

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something like this and to jump right

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into it what's going on in Chicago and

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when did this string of sightings first

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start we're up to around 30 or 40 at

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this point right

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well right now we're at 40 for the year

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and I just put the 40th up yesterday and

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actually this started back in 2011

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summer early fall

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and I stretched for about three months

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there was a photograph taken in the

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Pulaski Road area and it kind of looked

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like what the person who's the witness

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saw was a sugar glider a large sugar

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glider you know sugar glider is one of

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those things you sitting in palm of your

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hand yeah like a flying squirrel

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yeah flying squirrel and this picture

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it's hard to top big it was but it had

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some size to it but some of the

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witnesses that we have been getting this

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year have been saying that some of what

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they saw looks very similar to that but

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then again there have been a lot of

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differences in some of these sightings

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so our first report the first report

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that I saw for this year was in early

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April and that was originally reported

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on MUFON and it was by a professional

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woman who was walking her dog in Oz Park

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in Chicago and she came across this

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black being about seven foot tall

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standing in the middle of the park and

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she didn't know what to make of it the

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dog basically the dog freaked he tried

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to stay away you know back up behind the

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witness and this a jack terrier rustle

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so you know he knows things are pretty

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placed he's a you know mm-hmm so anyway

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this thing she described it as about

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seven foot high black in color and it

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had wings on its back quarters behind

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its back and the wings actually stood

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about a foot and a half above this thing

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so these are pretty good-sized wings

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so as she stood there and watched it it

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turned and it looked at her with these

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bright red ruby eyes you know that was

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it she she just had this weird reaction

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to it and it looked at her it took off

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like a rocket just straight up and when

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it got to the apex it kind of you know

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was still in the air unfurled its wings

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flap them and was gone at a pretty good

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rate of speed yeah it is just so amazing

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and uh I guess I've been hearing some

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descriptions that are saying an hour man

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some that are saying a bat man what are

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you hearing more of are they acquainting

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it more to an owl or more to a bad in

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most cases well that first sighting was

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pretty similar to what the Mothman

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sightings were in Point Pleasant I've

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had other similar settings all over the

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place but mostly in the Ohio River

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Valley well anyway the next couple of

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sightings after that sighting were

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driving as large humanoid owls alman

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they were you know about the same size

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anywhere from six to seven foot in

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height 22 12-foot wingspan the both of

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those the next two were perched as well

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and several witnesses saw it and it

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would just flap its wings and take off

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but as time went on the sightings

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started to be more like a large bag

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people even described the wings like its

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dragon wings but that membrane type wing

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but mixed in with those as well were

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others that had rounded wings wings that

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look like an insect or a butterfly moth

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or whatever but the size really didn't

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change the whole wide

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so you know some of them had this red

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eyes some of them didn't there were

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others that were said to have like a

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small crest on its head

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where as reported that there was a crest

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that went from the head and standing

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along the back of this thing so they

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have many variations right yeah those

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variations are super interesting and I

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mean I guess some feathered creatures

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tend to Maltz we could be dealing with a

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malting creature that now looks more

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like a bat than an owl but I guess I've

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heard you say based on the descriptions

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it seems like you think there might be

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actually three different things that

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have been unleashed on Chicago somehow

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right I think it's at least three man I

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would even venture to say there may be

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up to six different but I'm saying I I'm

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pretty sure at least three at this point

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have you been able to triangulate the

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sightings on the map and try to find

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like a source for where these things

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might be coming from a nest if you will

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yeah we've tried that you know we've

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taken the sightings and actually put

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them in chronological order and nothing

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really panned out of that I mean though

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we have had areas where there have been

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more sightings and others and of course

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there have been a lot of sightings

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downtown along the lake but there have

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been a lot of sightings as well in South

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Chicago into Indiana and we've got an

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interesting area down there that we're

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looking into as well so you know I I

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don't know these last couple sightings

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we had just week were a long water both

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of them one was along the Des Plaines

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River and the other one was a long Salt

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so you know I don't know I mean this

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last sighting was made near possum

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Park and the woman who saw this was

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actually an Avenue burden Raptor watcher

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and that's exactly what she was doing

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when she saw this thing she looked up

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and out over the park or Salt Creek she

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saw this huge what she described as a

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huge flying shadow and you know being a

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bird watching and knowing the Raptors

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and birds in the area she was amazed by

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it yeah and she was getting ready to

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take a photograph of it and by that time

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this thing took a dive right into the

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woods and she said do so fast you just

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couldn't believe it she's never seen

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dive that quick and she said when I went

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into the woods the birds in the woods

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that scattered mm and I asked her why

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didn't she'd go into the woods well

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actually she was along side the road on

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North Lagrange Road so she really

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actually couldn't go in there unless you

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put it over a guardrail and down a slope

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so yeah but she stood around waiting for

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this thing pasta come out and it just

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didn't but she was on the horn with me

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in about 40 minutes

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I loved imagine to say that like the

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first sighting is around April and we've

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had 40 cents then I mean this is mind

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blowing stuff are there any other major

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commonalities across the sighting

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spectrum that we could point to that add

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to the overall credibility for the

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skeptical ones out there I guess red

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eyes does seem to be one that comes up

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quite often that's a weird detail to add

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unless you actually saw something like

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that yeah I think the sightings that

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have been seen the night the red eyes

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really show up and I don't hear it that

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much with the daytime sightings make

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sense so that might be one aspect to it

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I you know the fact that it does come

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out during the day and has been seen

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during a day and it's not afraid to be

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seen though it does seem to move off

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quickly after it's been seen it people

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been having a

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thing you know they'd had the camera out

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and it would just take all so quickly

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or that it would be a night time not

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enough light and some had actually

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snapped photographs and nothing was seen

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on it

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damn so I don't know that's you know

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something I believe that there's some

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type of supernatural aspect of these

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being even though I think the flesh and

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blood I think there's something that may

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actually keep them from being

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photographed as well mmm yeah that's a

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popular opinion in the cryptid world and

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I have seen those photos that have been

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posted so far you're right a few people

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have snapped off some shots but cell

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phones just are not good at a distance

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or with moving objects so you can't

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really see that much but I guess is

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there any evidence worth mentioning that

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does go beyond just the reports of

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sightings well we had a couple sketches

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and that's about it

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but I tell you the one thing that has

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really been a big part of this for me is

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that when we talk to the witnesses they

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don't deviate from what their original

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report is I've had sober reports where

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the witness would write down send it to

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me by email and you know had me contact

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them by phone and they just will not

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embellish they just stick to what they

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originally said and they stay with that

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even after I've tried to get them to

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embellish the sighting or what they saw

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the description it never deviates hmm

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and that's a good sign and in terms of

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commonalities I guess some other ones

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are I've heard in more than one report

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that the sound it makes is like

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screeching similar to train brakes I've

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also heard of course like you said six

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feet tall and with a 10-foot wingspan

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that's a pretty on point number to hear

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from multiple people and I guess a few

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others have conveyed a sense of doom or

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some type of internal feeling I'm sure

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it's a scary thing to see but I guess

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there are reports of some feeling I

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don't know if it's being projected into

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them or just that's what happens when

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you see the unknown you know some of the

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earlier sightings the

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has had that type of emotion or they

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felt like some foreboding or fear the

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first sighting that we had received any

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sound was on the kalman River were a man

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his son who were fishing heard the

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screeching sound they said like the

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wheels of a train screeching but then we

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had another sighting in the Auburn

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Gresham area of the city when it was

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actually seen by two police offers that

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the crowd flagged down and this thing

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was on top of a three-story building and

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when it took off they heard a screeching

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sound the other sounds that we have

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heard about was there was an encounter

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with a man and woman who were down at

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North Lake Shore Drive 1,400 North

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Lakeshore Drive and this thing flew

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across their path went up the building

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side of a building got to the near the

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top and just froze

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still midair like I was looking through

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a window then it leaned back took a big

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dive into the trees they saw that they

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were going back toward the building

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because they were there visiting her

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mother and she lived in that building at

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condominium and when they turned the

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corner to head toward the entrance this

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thing descended right in front of them

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like midair and the wings were out and

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it wasn't flapping its wings it was just

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like was hovering and they stated that

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they heard a vibration like I don't know

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they even felt it as well but it was

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coming like a humming coming from the

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legs the legs were vibrating Wow that's

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you only sound other sound that we have

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heard about that's so interesting

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because I think possibly that could be a

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key when wherever we talk about

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multi-dimensional entities the idea of

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portal openings or something is always

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talked about and vibration seems to be a

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pretty big key when it comes to

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wavelengths and the possible

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scene of multiple dimensions who knows

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but vibration is an interesting detail

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there for sure yeah it is interesting I

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started thinking that this may be an

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extra dimensional type being early on

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because around the same time as some of

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the earlier sightings there were huge

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flashes of light being seen south of the

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city in the area around Chicago Heights

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and there was another large flash just

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across the border into Indiana so I you

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know I have noticed before when doing

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with cryptids that you know there would

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be flashes of light sometimes an orb

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seen during a sighting of like a Bigfoot

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or some other type of being or after an

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investigator we're go into the area

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they'd see these orbs in the same area

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so I don't know if it's related but I

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believe it is related now I don't know

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that's where they originated from I just

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don't know but a lot of these that were

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seen downtown they seem to be coming

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from under one of the overpasses on

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Lakeshore Drive so I don't know if

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that's where they're hanging out or

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there's some tunnels in that areas will

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there's a lot of underground that area

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so I don't know I don't really don't

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know that's so amazing man and then I

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find this extra exciting because I know

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Chicago pretty well and I spent some

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time with that interactive map you have

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and I'm shocked that so many of these

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sightings are deep in the city many of

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them are right along Lakeshore Drive I

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mean that's a tourist hotspot I mean

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that is a a real corridor of a lot of

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action there we have sightings both day

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and night that's a little unusual right

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usually these things are when people are

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alone in the backwoods somewhere but to

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have multiple people sometimes couples

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seeing these things in the city Wow

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that is unusual most times when I get a

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report over the years it'll be either

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one witness or a witness with their kids

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or you know something like that going

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down the road a fleeting sighting but

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now these sightings have been in front

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of fairly large crowds and several of

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these settings have been verified by

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more than one witness so right yeah it

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is unusual and I gotta ask I would like

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to think that people have the sense to

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be able to tell the difference between a

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bat human-hybrid

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and something like a person in a

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wingsuit or a drone but you got to ask

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that kind of question is there any

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reasonable explanation for this outside

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of some cryptid creature we have looked

404
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at every possible explanation you know

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this thing has been seen along the river

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downtown along those high buildings if

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that was somebody in a squirrel suit

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they just done a splat on one of those

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buildings there's just no way they could

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have stopped and flew across the river

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under bridges over bridges they just

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would have been impossible as far as a

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drone I just don't see that being

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possibility because this thing flapped

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its wings and would turn its head and

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acknowledge the people that it was going

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by and come back and do all kinds of

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strange maneuvers we actually had a

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sighting out on the lake where there was

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two of these things seem together Wow

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and they were doing figure 8 and going

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to brown to each other and such and took

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off so yeah you know the the maneuvers

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that this thing has demonstrated and the

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way it has flown and the speed as well

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you know and if you had a drone you'd

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hear so I I just don't believe that's

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what it is at all and as far as wildlife

429
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goes you know I've had people say well

430
00:19:34,220 --> 00:19:30,570
it may be a sandhill crane or a blue

431
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heron well I haven't seen any six or

432
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seven foot creams you know cream doesn't

433
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get any bigger maybe thirty pounds and

434
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you know they don't have a wingspan of

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ten foot or more

436
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no they also don't really have the shape

437
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of a person either no hey man I just

438
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love it and you mentioned earlier that

439
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we have a few police officers who have

440
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seen it I feel like that adds a little

441
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credibility they don't want that kind of

442
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trouble

443
00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:01,360
but in terms of the local media or the

444
00:20:05,820 --> 00:20:03,910
local police how much attention is this

445
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getting outside of the cryptozoology

446
00:20:10,350 --> 00:20:07,980
community our people in Chicago actually

447
00:20:12,270 --> 00:20:10,360
wakin up to this thing or would you say

448
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it's more of under the radar media

449
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blackout well there's been somewhat of a

450
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:18,130
media blackout but the residents are

451
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getting the word it's traveling

452
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word-of-mouth and I've been saying that

453
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for the last five or six weeks and I was

454
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on the phone with someone just before

455
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you call I I'm getting anywhere from 10

456
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to 20 calls a day from just regular

457
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residents of Chicago wondering what this

458
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is worry about what it is one no what I

459
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:42,310
think it is and you know I don't buy

460
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into that harbinger of doom theory at

461
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all buts myself you know even if I did I

462
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would said and I try to dispel as much

463
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beer as I can with people but this is

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you know since we had the two police

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officers who were together then earlier

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we had a state police officer and his

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son near the lakefront see this thing so

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you know we had two sets of police

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officers we've had city workers who have

470
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seen it I've had city workers you have

471
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contact and me even people who are

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involved with the political side of the

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city tell me that City Hall definitely

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knows about it and the major media just

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trying to stay away from as much as

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possible

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makes sense another interesting element

478
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that I've heard you talk about is that

479
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Chicago tends to get a lot of UFO

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sightings are at least a fairly steady

481
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amount but since these oh man man-bat

482
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sightings these other types of sightings

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have kind of come to a halt right yeah

484
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that's something that we discovered

485
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early which Kowski and I have you know

486
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he's mostly into UFOs

487
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and we've been keeping an eye on the

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reporting centers and the sightings in

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and around the Chicago area and into

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over the lake have really waned since it

491
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started you know that it was nothing to

492
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get on to the CMS the MUFON CMS are the

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new Fork reporter reporting log and see

494
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sightings in and around Chicago every

495
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day that just hasn't been going on now I

496
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don't know if this is the reason why my

497
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body it's interesting and I've had a

498
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couple paranormal investigators also

499
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tell me that the actual calls to them

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for hauntings and other type of activity

501
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hasn't been as strong as as well so

502
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maybe this thing is affecting all that I

503
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had no idea right I mean that's

504
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interesting to note for sure how is

505
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MUFON responding to this I know cryptids

506
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aren't really their wheelhouse but I

507
00:23:03,570 --> 00:23:01,510
think all this stuff is connected are

508
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they getting on this with you and kind

509
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of helping to try to get to the bottom

510
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of it you know that's a long story but I

511
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will say this when the first sighting

512
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came out of MUFON I jumped on it and

513
00:23:17,940 --> 00:23:15,940
reported it didn't add to that they had

514
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actually gotten all together about four

515
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reports and I'm not going to name names

516
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but the person in charge of everything

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in in state of Illinois contacted me and

518
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wanted to work together you know I've

519
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had my issues with MUFON over the years

520
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and you know I told him I said well you

521
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know if you're gonna be sincere about

522
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this and share information I had no

523
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problem with that whether that didn't

524
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last long so I told them I said I'm not

525
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even gonna share information you know I

526
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don't even want to have being bald and

527
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Buffon on this and for the most part

528
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they've been staying away from it now

529
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they had a problem with people who are

530
00:24:00,600 --> 00:23:56,980
following reports not talking to them

531
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and they were getting frustrated and

532
00:24:05,370 --> 00:24:02,470
getting upset with us thinking that we

533
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:05,380
were telling them not to talk to them

534
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:07,600
well I don't know how they do that

535
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because I don't have any other contact

536
00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:10,490
you

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formation so I wasn't talking to these

538
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:14,750
people though later on we did have one

539
00:24:19,410 --> 00:24:17,330
of the witches contact us the cause

540
00:24:22,570 --> 00:24:19,420
MUFON wouldn't investigate it with them

541
00:24:24,850 --> 00:24:22,580
right not as strange you think they'd be

542
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,860
all about this but you know you

543
00:24:28,419 --> 00:24:26,960
mentioned that harbinger of doom theory

544
00:24:30,820 --> 00:24:28,429
that you're not really into of course

545
00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:30,830
that is the closest association to the

546
00:24:35,620 --> 00:24:32,710
Mothman sightings in Point Pleasant

547
00:24:37,690 --> 00:24:35,630
popularized by John keel he kind of

548
00:24:39,370 --> 00:24:37,700
brought that theory out that it was some

549
00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:39,380
type of omen for the Silver Bridge

550
00:24:43,810 --> 00:24:41,780
collapse and I'm sure some people

551
00:24:46,030 --> 00:24:43,820
wondered the same thing in this case

552
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,040
because there are some parallels and it

553
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:48,559
is interesting that Chicago is the gang

554
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:50,450
violence capital of the country earning

555
00:24:55,900 --> 00:24:53,600
at that nickname of chiraq could such

556
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:55,910
strong emotional and negative energy

557
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:58,010
manifest such beans do you think there

558
00:25:02,460 --> 00:24:59,840
could be some energetic effect somehow

559
00:25:05,650 --> 00:25:02,470
that's making them come into existence

560
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,660
you know I think it's possible you know

561
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:08,000
I have been following this phenomena for

562
00:25:13,220 --> 00:25:11,090
years now and it does seem that these

563
00:25:16,580 --> 00:25:13,230
things show up

564
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:16,590
at times when people are having personal

565
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:19,620
issues dysfunction and quite frankly I

566
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:21,210
don't know of any city in the United

567
00:25:25,159 --> 00:25:23,730
States is a dysfunctional Chicago at the

568
00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:25,169
moment so that may very well be

569
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:28,769
something but yeah this harbinger of

570
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:31,529
doom theory yeah that was perpetuated by

571
00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:34,860
John keel I believe right and in the

572
00:25:39,980 --> 00:25:37,529
residents of Point Pleasant when the

573
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:39,990
bridge collapsed it was kind of like an

574
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:43,049
excuse for what happened I believe but

575
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:44,850
there were other things going on as well

576
00:25:49,639 --> 00:25:47,490
even the men in black the UFO sightings

577
00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:49,649
and a lot of other strange things

578
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:52,950
associated with the Mothman but that's a

579
00:25:56,899 --> 00:25:54,570
weird area anyway because your stuff

580
00:25:58,940 --> 00:25:56,909
still happens there I get reports out of

581
00:26:02,060 --> 00:25:58,950
Point Pleasant a lot and the fact I'm

582
00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:02,070
dealing with a couple now who believe

583
00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:05,100
that they were somehow affected by the

584
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:07,620
Mothman or some type of other entity at

585
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:11,070
one of those TNT cones several years ago

586
00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:13,049
but it's still sticking with them so I

587
00:26:18,620 --> 00:26:15,990
don't know how much it has affected them

588
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:18,630
though I do believe people have been

589
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:21,000
affected by some things that go on that

590
00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:23,970
McLintock area at McClintock preserve

591
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:27,480
area where the TNT plants located so

592
00:26:32,649 --> 00:26:29,610
yeah yeah and also as far as this

593
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:32,659
harbinger of doom theory there have been

594
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:36,450
disasters where people would claim after

595
00:26:40,399 --> 00:26:38,220
the fact that they had seen something

596
00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:40,409
the Mississippi River bridge in

597
00:26:46,129 --> 00:26:45,179
Minneapolis Fukushima Chernobyl there

598
00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:46,139
were people that would come out

599
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:48,510
afterwards and say uh you know I saw

600
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:51,809
flying being above where this happened

601
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:53,700
well but it's always after the fact so I

602
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:55,500
don't you know I really don't know if

603
00:27:00,690 --> 00:26:57,460
that's true or not

604
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:00,700
yeah I mean things happening near an

605
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:03,370
AT&T facility is kind of interesting

606
00:27:09,150 --> 00:27:05,710
because a lot of times people suggest

607
00:27:12,210 --> 00:27:09,160
that signals in the air might be doing

608
00:27:13,890 --> 00:27:12,220
something to cross over into opening

609
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,900
portals to other dimensions that again

610
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:15,520
it might be some kind of frequency based

611
00:27:21,630 --> 00:27:19,450
thing but AT&T Bell Labs Lockheed Martin

612
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:21,640
how often do you find these big

613
00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:24,130
companies having some kind of facility

614
00:27:29,610 --> 00:27:26,230
nearby because that's something I would

615
00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:29,620
probably think about yeah I've looked

616
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:32,700
into that the only thing I can think of

617
00:27:39,930 --> 00:27:36,490
in the Chicago area is that they have a

618
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:39,940
CERN like a Collider that's been in the

619
00:27:47,070 --> 00:27:43,120
area for about 40 years now it's up in

620
00:27:50,850 --> 00:27:47,080
the north western part of one of the

621
00:27:52,890 --> 00:27:50,860
suburbs northwest of the city there I've

622
00:27:55,740 --> 00:27:52,900
had people tell me that they've seen

623
00:27:57,900 --> 00:27:55,750
some bizarre things in that area but we

624
00:27:59,880 --> 00:27:57,910
haven't really had any sightings there

625
00:28:02,520 --> 00:27:59,890
it's just something that we're looking

626
00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:02,530
into as well he almost got to look at

627
00:28:06,150 --> 00:28:04,510
everything huh really I mean because

628
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:06,160
these sightings have been spread all

629
00:28:14,010 --> 00:28:10,210
over the city plus as far as 20 30 miles

630
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:14,020
outside the city as well so you know

631
00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:16,570
we're taking the reports and just going

632
00:28:21,660 --> 00:28:18,750
with it trying to come up with theories

633
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:21,670
people going into areas and checking

634
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:24,010
them out so you know we got a few

635
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,090
possibilities

636
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:27,520
I mean we've even gotten to the point

637
00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:32,770
where we're using I'm using conduits or

638
00:28:38,669 --> 00:28:35,350
Chandler's to try to get an idea of what

639
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:38,679
this is I even have an RV group that

640
00:28:44,610 --> 00:28:41,110
I've been working with as well so um

641
00:28:46,530 --> 00:28:44,620
right you know I I'm almost at the point

642
00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:46,540
where I you know I will take any little

643
00:28:51,299 --> 00:28:48,520
bit of information and see if I discern

644
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:51,309
any type of decent information from it

645
00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:53,650
yeah I heard you talking about working

646
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:55,929
with remote viewers on this and trying

647
00:29:00,690 --> 00:28:58,570
to do some sessions around this creature

648
00:29:03,180 --> 00:29:00,700
or these creatures has anything

649
00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:03,190
interesting come out of those you know

650
00:29:08,050 --> 00:29:06,190
we've got a few possible pieces of

651
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:08,060
evidence that

652
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:11,810
may help us but at the present time I

653
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:14,480
haven't really seen the connection but

654
00:29:18,370 --> 00:29:16,130
something that we're keeping on the back

655
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:18,380
burner in case this thing shows up at

656
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:20,770
some place where these are bees

657
00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:24,410
pinpointed you know right this tyreal II

658
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:25,790
don't want to say a whole lot about it

659
00:29:30,580 --> 00:29:27,890
unless we get something that kind of

660
00:29:32,860 --> 00:29:30,590
coincides with what we're hearing sure

661
00:29:34,930 --> 00:29:32,870
sure but you are right about those

662
00:29:36,730 --> 00:29:34,940
hotspots and just looking at every

663
00:29:39,070 --> 00:29:36,740
possible angle I mean you got to look

664
00:29:40,990 --> 00:29:39,080
for DARPA facilities in the area of

665
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:41,000
military bases any of those kind of

666
00:29:44,890 --> 00:29:42,650
hotspots because my first thought would

667
00:29:48,790 --> 00:29:44,900
be that this would be some kind of deep

668
00:29:52,390 --> 00:29:48,800
state project gone wrong or some kind of

669
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:52,400
a cult ritual that got out of hand it

670
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,570
really does make you wonder I know

671
00:29:57,820 --> 00:29:55,520
there's museums right in that area I

672
00:30:01,290 --> 00:29:57,830
mean possibly someone broke open an

673
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:01,300
ancient statue in the history museum

674
00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:04,130
that ancient Egyptian curse or something

675
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:06,740
yeah I don't know that I you know that's

676
00:30:11,710 --> 00:30:08,330
a new angle I haven't heard anything

677
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:11,720
about that but you know the Chicago area

678
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:15,370
doesn't really have a lot of military

679
00:30:20,410 --> 00:30:18,050
installations as opposed to some other

680
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:20,420
cities there are some government

681
00:30:25,150 --> 00:30:23,120
projects in and around the city some

682
00:30:27,490 --> 00:30:25,160
independent projects associated with the

683
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,500
government we've been doing some

684
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:29,360
checking I've been doing some checking

685
00:30:34,150 --> 00:30:31,610
and I've been talking to people they

686
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:34,160
live in the city that are familiar with

687
00:30:40,660 --> 00:30:37,490
things that are going on or have been

688
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:40,670
going on so you know I got a huge list

689
00:30:47,740 --> 00:30:45,110
of things on my checklist that just you

690
00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:47,750
know at this point it's really hard for

691
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:52,460
me to kind of put a connection with

692
00:30:58,150 --> 00:30:55,400
these that you know and another thing is

693
00:30:59,530 --> 00:30:58,160
you check out the witnesses as far as

694
00:31:01,960 --> 00:30:59,540
maybe there's a connection between

695
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:01,970
witnesses this thing is going to certain

696
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:05,120
people so far we really haven't made

697
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:08,930
that connection either Wow well it's

698
00:31:14,530 --> 00:31:11,840
definitely fascinating and maybe it is

699
00:31:17,470 --> 00:31:14,540
hard to peg it to anything but in terms

700
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:17,480
of it being a flesh-and-blood creature

701
00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:19,610
burse is having a paranormal aspect has

702
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:21,830
anybody seen it material

703
00:31:29,130 --> 00:31:24,110
lies or dematerialize or anything like

704
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:29,140
that no not manifesting or or

705
00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:31,490
disappearing no nothing like that it

706
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:34,460
usually seems to come from somewhere

707
00:31:39,220 --> 00:31:37,519
quickly then move off again but nobody

708
00:31:45,370 --> 00:31:39,230
ever sees where it comes from a word

709
00:31:48,130 --> 00:31:45,380
goes to amazing man and also we talked a

710
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,140
little bit about the cover up angle of

711
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:50,480
it the media blackout and that kind of

712
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:52,130
thing I don't think we mentioned this

713
00:31:56,620 --> 00:31:54,529
yet but it's in my notes I guess there's

714
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,630
been four Freedom of Information Act Stu

715
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,159
the Chicago Police all coming back

716
00:32:02,049 --> 00:32:00,080
nothing reported which I would think

717
00:32:03,870 --> 00:32:02,059
seems odd considering how many reports

718
00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:03,880
you've got they'd have to have some oh

719
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:06,950
they've got them I'm quite sure the

720
00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:09,769
police officer Albert Gresham stated

721
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:11,929
emphatically that he bought a report now

722
00:32:15,820 --> 00:32:14,720
right you know just because he filed a

723
00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:15,830
report doesn't mean they're gonna

724
00:32:20,139 --> 00:32:18,230
release it you know normally when you

725
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:20,149
put in the Freedom of Information Act

726
00:32:24,909 --> 00:32:22,850
request it takes several weeks before

727
00:32:28,810 --> 00:32:24,919
you even hear back we're getting

728
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,820
responses within a few days mm just

729
00:32:33,930 --> 00:32:30,799
stating well we had nothing on record

730
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:33,940
there's nothing ever been reported I

731
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:38,960
made a request for 9-1-1 logs that was

732
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:43,760
denied so you know I I'm pretty sure

733
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:45,710
they are keeping a lid on it you know

734
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:48,409
I've heard a lot of reasons why you know

735
00:32:54,669 --> 00:32:52,010
one being tourists because most of the

736
00:32:56,889 --> 00:32:54,679
sightings are downtown I don't know if

737
00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:56,899
that's true or not I just believe

738
00:33:01,840 --> 00:32:58,970
the point where Chicago is right now

739
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,850
with as many issues that they do have I

740
00:33:05,529 --> 00:33:03,919
just feel that they think that they

741
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:05,539
don't want to pal over something else

742
00:33:09,730 --> 00:33:08,210
right right yeah you know they just

743
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:09,740
don't want a whole lot of people asking

744
00:33:12,340 --> 00:33:11,510
them questions about what's going on

745
00:33:14,769 --> 00:33:12,350
mm-hmm

746
00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:14,779
well denying those requests is

747
00:33:18,820 --> 00:33:16,700
definitely a bit of a red flag that

748
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,830
shows some kind of fishiness going on

749
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:20,960
have there been any other red flags in

750
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:22,370
the investigation that we haven't

751
00:33:29,649 --> 00:33:25,210
mentioned yet that you've come across

752
00:33:32,919 --> 00:33:29,659
well yeah I've talked to a few reporters

753
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:32,929
in the city with television stations for

754
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:35,250
the most part

755
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:37,620
I had at least one verified he knew

756
00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:41,100
about it but I have had other people

757
00:33:47,260 --> 00:33:43,340
that he worked with or they work with

758
00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:47,270
that simply denied it so you know I

759
00:33:52,790 --> 00:33:49,710
don't know I'm still trying to figure

760
00:33:54,740 --> 00:33:52,800
out what the angle was on that I don't

761
00:33:56,450 --> 00:33:54,750
know I mean it just seems that there is

762
00:34:00,140 --> 00:33:56,460
a concerted effort to keep this thing

763
00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:00,150
quiet for the most part but people are

764
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:03,000
talking about it I mean I talked to

765
00:34:09,110 --> 00:34:07,440
people you call me and I asked them well

766
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:09,120
you know where did you hear about it and

767
00:34:12,980 --> 00:34:10,320
they said oh it's all over the

768
00:34:15,830 --> 00:34:12,990
neighborhood you know people are talking

769
00:34:17,780 --> 00:34:15,840
about it on the internet you know so

770
00:34:21,350 --> 00:34:17,790
yeah the words out there's no doubt

771
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:21,360
about that mom and I guess it does seem

772
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:24,960
to be more creature than Manor more

773
00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:27,510
animal than man we mentioned those

774
00:34:31,850 --> 00:34:29,580
feelings of fear and those sounds of

775
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:31,860
screeching but sometimes encrypted

776
00:34:36,379 --> 00:34:34,740
encounters people seem to lock up and

777
00:34:38,419 --> 00:34:36,389
sync up with these things and get some

778
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:38,429
type of telepathic message is anything

779
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:41,310
like that come through well this last

780
00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:43,980
sighting seemed to be like that the

781
00:34:49,940 --> 00:34:46,679
woman who was watching this thing she

782
00:34:51,260 --> 00:34:49,950
stated that it seemed like it was well

783
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:51,270
she said she had like a whimsical

784
00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:54,270
reaction to this sighting though she was

785
00:34:58,940 --> 00:34:55,950
really calm when I talked to her she

786
00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:58,950
said it seemed to her that does link

787
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:02,640
being wanted her to see it and I was

788
00:35:07,220 --> 00:35:05,400
giving her a message though you know I

789
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:07,230
don't know but she got ready to take the

790
00:35:13,580 --> 00:35:10,740
picture the thing took the dive so maybe

791
00:35:15,350 --> 00:35:13,590
just didn't want to be seen but she you

792
00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:15,360
know she didn't have any sense of and

793
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:19,140
fear anything from it but when she said

794
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:20,940
whimsical that was the first time I

795
00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:22,110
heard of it

796
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:24,630
so I don't know some people have said

797
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:27,890
well I have felt that he knew that I was

798
00:35:34,820 --> 00:35:31,680
watching it somehow some of the people

799
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,830
well yeah one couple in particular this

800
00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:36,720
was in Lake Shore Drive as well

801
00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:40,070
said this thing flew over top of them

802
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:43,500
flew off turned its head looked back at

803
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:46,170
them with these red eyes turned on a

804
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,760
dime it came right back to him again

805
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:48,960
like it knew that

806
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,690
they had seen it yeah you know and of

807
00:35:56,420 --> 00:35:53,520
course the one I mentioned where this

808
00:35:59,570 --> 00:35:56,430
thing ascended slowly and hovered in

809
00:36:01,520 --> 00:35:59,580
front of them the reaction that they had

810
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:01,530
now there were people there on the other

811
00:36:06,140 --> 00:36:03,780
side of the street and in fact she

812
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:06,150
didn't mention that she noticed the

813
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,210
flash from a phone camera so it was at

814
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:12,480
nighttime but her reaction was when this

815
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:14,849
thing took off ascended away from them

816
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:18,810
she just felt her knees her husband had

817
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,490
actually dragged her back to the condo

818
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,440
so there have been reactions like that

819
00:36:30,430 --> 00:36:26,880
there was an encounter out in

820
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:30,440
Bolingbrook where this woman came across

821
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:33,089
what she described as what she thought

822
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:36,450
were two people embracing on a path by

823
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:38,730
the playground the park and it was at

824
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:40,500
night and it was part of her MoMA

825
00:36:45,859 --> 00:36:43,170
routine and I take a walk out there and

826
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:45,869
when she came across this thing she said

827
00:36:51,740 --> 00:36:48,690
did say it heard like a like a slurping

828
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:51,750
sound or sucking sound she didn't know

829
00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:53,730
what it was it wasn't loud but she

830
00:37:00,500 --> 00:36:57,089
noticed it but for one thing she did

831
00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:00,510
notice that kind of freaked herb it was

832
00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:03,240
about seven foot high but it was wide

833
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,119
her first reaction was that it was two

834
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:09,599
people embracing each other because it

835
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:11,369
seemed to have something wrapped around

836
00:37:15,860 --> 00:37:12,900
it which I believe were probably the

837
00:37:19,150 --> 00:37:15,870
wings right and

838
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:19,160
she didn't notice any eyes or anything

839
00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:22,110
I'm thinking it was probably sleep or

840
00:37:29,180 --> 00:37:25,640
something though it did turn towards her

841
00:37:32,180 --> 00:37:29,190
as she was standing she got about within

842
00:37:35,410 --> 00:37:32,190
15 feet of it you know and when she

843
00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:35,420
realized that it wasn't two people she

844
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:38,430
moved around through the grass enough to

845
00:37:43,340 --> 00:37:40,530
get to the other side of the park as she

846
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:43,350
was walking away she became very very

847
00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:46,140
tired she said it's like all the energy

848
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:48,260
was sucked out of it she had to sit down

849
00:37:53,390 --> 00:37:50,520
even though she kept her eye on this

850
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:53,400
thing or to see where was that when she

851
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:54,900
was able to get up she had it right

852
00:38:01,820 --> 00:37:58,320
straight to her house so they did have

853
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:01,830
that effect on her so I don't know damn

854
00:38:06,110 --> 00:38:03,810
so interesting man I mean as someone

855
00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:06,120
who's made this their livelihood this

856
00:38:10,220 --> 00:38:07,950
has to be super exciting because we're

857
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:10,230
talking about the scale of something

858
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:13,020
maybe that's even surpassed the Point

859
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:14,850
Pleasant sightings at this point and

860
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:17,220
we're still talking about that and we

861
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:18,450
might be in the middle of something that

862
00:38:21,370 --> 00:38:20,610
people are talking about for decades to

863
00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:21,380
come

864
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:25,260
well I believe this is historical as far

865
00:38:30,620 --> 00:38:27,780
as flying humanoid type being these

866
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:30,630
sightings probably the largest group of

867
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:33,300
sightings one general area since Point

868
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,490
Pleasant yeah you know any type of

869
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:37,200
cryptid is very rare that you get a

870
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:39,300
multiple number of sightings like this

871
00:38:44,690 --> 00:38:41,940
the reason why it's happening now I have

872
00:38:48,110 --> 00:38:44,700
no idea but yeah it's pretty remarkable

873
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:48,120
and it's probably most like a historical

874
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:52,170
event it definitely is man and I guess I

875
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:53,250
would ask is there anything else we

876
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,890
should note about this Chicago situation

877
00:39:00,110 --> 00:38:57,480
before we look at some of the other open

878
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:00,120
investigations you have going on that's

879
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:02,250
just about it I mean it's one of these

880
00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:04,740
things were I just got to wait and see

881
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:06,780
what else comes in and maybe we'll get a

882
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:10,020
break get a good photographed or you

883
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:11,460
know get some other type of evidence

884
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,220
that helps us to distinguish what this

885
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:16,560
is where it's coming from where it's

886
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:19,770
going and why it's around right it is

887
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:21,690
kind of tough to say much more than

888
00:39:27,620 --> 00:39:23,970
people are seeing something weird but

889
00:39:29,570 --> 00:39:27,630
that alone is just so fascinating and to

890
00:39:31,610 --> 00:39:29,580
get into maybe alien abduction

891
00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:31,620
a bit in one blog post you talk about

892
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:33,990
David Jacobs he's a big proponent of the

893
00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:35,970
hybridization theory that humans are

894
00:39:40,820 --> 00:39:38,460
being abducted for reproductive and

895
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:40,830
hybrid making purposes but you go on to

896
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:44,010
say contrary to David Jacobs assertions

897
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:46,680
I have an opposing opinion and reference

898
00:39:50,570 --> 00:39:48,900
to alien abductions based on testimony

899
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:50,580
and research I've conducted over the

900
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:52,110
years can you tell us about that

901
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:54,650
opposing opinion what's the why behind

902
00:40:03,670 --> 00:39:59,880
abductions based on your research well

903
00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:03,680
you know he admits that the evidence of

904
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:07,230
basically body snatching is that

905
00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:09,240
abductees have been reporting a similar

906
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:12,390
experience recalling common details you

907
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:14,280
know I really don't know if he's ever

908
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:18,480
gotten a case are mentioned a case like

909
00:40:23,780 --> 00:40:21,060
I had gotten when I was working with

910
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,790
David Eckhart in his family I don't know

911
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:25,680
if you're familiar with that case but oh

912
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:27,720
yeah I'm leading right into it that is a

913
00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:29,310
hell of a case definitely tell us a

914
00:40:34,850 --> 00:40:32,190
little bit about his well basically they

915
00:40:36,860 --> 00:40:34,860
lived in the Pensacola area not really

916
00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:36,870
far from the Gulf Breeze would you know

917
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:38,550
you're familiar with Gulf Breeze and all

918
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:40,680
the crash sightings but David was a

919
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,000
contractor he had built a beautiful home

920
00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:46,800
what he called the home of his dreams

921
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:49,950
and Fanny had lived there for a maybe

922
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:53,400
year so when they started encountering

923
00:41:00,680 --> 00:40:56,940
these small beings that were coming

924
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:00,690
somehow into the bedroom he saw them but

925
00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:02,130
you know there was so quickly the

926
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:04,740
fleeting sightings well over the years

927
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:08,910
he started placing cameras in the

928
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:10,890
bedroom to try to capture these things

929
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:13,260
coming in and out I mean these things

930
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:14,850
were actually destroying some of the

931
00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:17,250
cameras it got to the point where the

932
00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:19,020
only way he could keep a camera from

933
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:22,830
getting destroyed was mounting one of

934
00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:25,530
those corner mirrors that security

935
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:29,580
mirrors and shining you know have the

936
00:41:35,570 --> 00:41:33,150
camera focused on that and take the

937
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:35,580
reflection off of that thing that seemed

938
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:38,700
to be the only way he could do it and he

939
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:40,680
would use strobe lights and a lot of

940
00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:43,140
other things but he did capture it he

941
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:45,600
captured a and I have it up on my

942
00:41:51,830 --> 00:41:48,510
Facebook page but it's the video of this

943
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:51,840
being at the doorway B's bathroom but

944
00:42:00,850 --> 00:41:56,400
when the abduction started these beings

945
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:00,860
plus what I believe was an overlord a

946
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:04,710
reptilian type being we're coming in

947
00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:06,570
through a portal in the bedroom and I

948
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:08,420
know it sounds ridiculous and so huh

949
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:13,380
just so fantastical but I'm telling you

950
00:42:18,110 --> 00:42:15,540
you know you know I'll be honest with

951
00:42:20,570 --> 00:42:18,120
you I for the first couple months I had

952
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:20,580
a hard time believing David as well but

953
00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:23,400
he came forth with more more evidence

954
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:27,540
about these beings actually taken in two

955
00:42:33,110 --> 00:42:30,210
other locations two underground

956
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:33,120
locations two underwater locations on

957
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:37,110
this planet he was cured of a real bad

958
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:40,260
case of rheumatoid arthritis it's just a

959
00:42:45,830 --> 00:42:43,410
fantastic story right and this actually

960
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:45,840
went on for almost ten years I mean his

961
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:49,200
family was being abducted as well but he

962
00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:51,060
was always taken somewhere other than

963
00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:53,580
where his family was taken and they

964
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:55,350
acknowledged that that they'd be taken

965
00:43:00,020 --> 00:42:58,290
someplace else but he was seeing all

966
00:43:01,820 --> 00:43:00,030
cons that they were showing it to it it

967
00:43:04,220 --> 00:43:01,830
was almost like you know we're gonna

968
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:04,230
pick you up let's take a tour ah do you

969
00:43:08,570 --> 00:43:05,490
know they were showing him underground

970
00:43:11,830 --> 00:43:08,580
taverns where there were other alien

971
00:43:14,570 --> 00:43:11,840
beings acting basically as slave labor

972
00:43:16,570 --> 00:43:14,580
mm-hmm there were also human beings that

973
00:43:20,210 --> 00:43:16,580
were working as slave labor

974
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:20,220
it seemed that DS reptilian type B were

975
00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:23,130
the overlords but this one reptilian was

976
00:43:28,130 --> 00:43:25,260
the one who came and got in each and

977
00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:28,140
every time that occurred for about ten

978
00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:32,280
years by the time he talked to me it was

979
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:35,550
almost over with and in fact they still

980
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:37,650
check up on him occasionally it's like

981
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:40,110
maybe twice a year around April and once

982
00:43:44,540 --> 00:43:42,690
another time in November it seems to be

983
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:44,550
a cycle where they just come back and

984
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,220
check up on him Wow but it's a bizarre

985
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:49,920
story but I'm telling you I and there's

986
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:51,720
a lot of it I just really have not

987
00:43:56,539 --> 00:43:53,910
released I mean there's some really

988
00:43:59,539 --> 00:43:56,549
horrific things he saw

989
00:44:02,870 --> 00:43:59,549
describe to me Wow can you give us one

990
00:44:05,689 --> 00:44:02,880
of those crazy things that he saw well I

991
00:44:09,229 --> 00:44:05,699
guess one of them would be when they

992
00:44:13,549 --> 00:44:09,239
actually took him into a an area of one

993
00:44:17,959 --> 00:44:13,559
of these facilities where they would

994
00:44:21,709 --> 00:44:17,969
dissect humans living humans I mean they

995
00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:21,719
were awake and these were reptilians

996
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:23,819
were doing the actual dissecting and

997
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:26,910
they were always cutting them from the

998
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:31,890
back on the end and you saw the area

999
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:35,339
where they disposed of these bodies it

1000
00:44:42,430 --> 00:44:39,089
was like a huge furnace but

1001
00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:42,440
they would descend slowly into this

1002
00:44:49,339 --> 00:44:45,900
cauldron of some type and that's how

1003
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:49,349
they would be disposed of and you know I

1004
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:51,089
told him I said what did he ever explain

1005
00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:53,460
to you what they were doing he said no

1006
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:55,950
he said from what he was told those

1007
00:45:00,469 --> 00:44:58,170
people just never made it back they were

1008
00:45:03,579 --> 00:45:00,479
taken for good basically and he said

1009
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:03,589
there was another device he had seen

1010
00:45:10,579 --> 00:45:07,890
where they would take these humans and

1011
00:45:14,029 --> 00:45:10,589
it had other beings as well and they put

1012
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:14,039
him in like a cylindrical type of

1013
00:45:18,469 --> 00:45:16,380
transport but it was small they were

1014
00:45:21,259 --> 00:45:18,479
actually shrink this thing and shrink

1015
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:21,269
whoever was and put it in there and when

1016
00:45:28,099 --> 00:45:23,940
it would be placed in to this device

1017
00:45:29,959 --> 00:45:28,109
several other these cylindrical pods or

1018
00:45:34,819 --> 00:45:29,969
whatever they were this is what they

1019
00:45:36,529 --> 00:45:34,829
used to transport all planet nice almost

1020
00:45:40,009 --> 00:45:36,539
like you know Stargate or something that

1021
00:45:41,749 --> 00:45:40,019
effect but he was able to you know he's

1022
00:45:45,529 --> 00:45:41,759
very good at drawing in because it was

1023
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:45,539
working such and he had remembered some

1024
00:45:49,870 --> 00:45:47,849
of the symbols he had seen he drew a

1025
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:49,880
sketch of this device

1026
00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:52,650
he had also written down a bunch of

1027
00:45:58,609 --> 00:45:55,710
formulas that were projected to in

1028
00:46:00,579 --> 00:45:58,619
telepathically I have taken these

1029
00:46:03,339 --> 00:46:00,589
formulas to a lot of different people

1030
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:03,349
they can't figure out what it is Wow

1031
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:05,700
yeah it's an amazing story

1032
00:46:09,499 --> 00:46:09,150
you know David was lemn the paranormal

1033
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:09,509
files

1034
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,140
fact or faked show with Ben Harris and

1035
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:16,079
when they then they had moved out of the

1036
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:17,910
house by then but when they were there

1037
00:46:23,959 --> 00:46:21,660
they tried to recreate some of the

1038
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:23,969
things that David claimed I Kauai

1039
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:26,249
frankly when I talked to Dan he told me

1040
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:28,570
you know

1041
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:30,310
I have to believe the guy he said I

1042
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:32,940
really can't disprove what he's claiming

1043
00:46:38,850 --> 00:46:35,950
I mean I had him on our radio show a

1044
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:38,860
couple weeks that the show was aired cuz

1045
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:40,570
you know I had some issues with wait

1046
00:46:43,590 --> 00:46:42,010
some of the things were showing but he

1047
00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:43,600
told me he said right over the radio he

1048
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:46,420
said I cannot dispute what he said I

1049
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,310
mean I couldn't tell he was faking and

1050
00:46:52,740 --> 00:46:50,800
not there was one instance that really

1051
00:46:55,350 --> 00:46:52,750
freaked him out that happened and it was

1052
00:46:58,410 --> 00:46:55,360
something that David told me before when

1053
00:47:00,930 --> 00:46:58,420
they had the truck outside and it was at

1054
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:00,940
nighttime and you know they had the

1055
00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:02,410
production crew and everything out in

1056
00:47:07,110 --> 00:47:04,870
this truck outside the house and David

1057
00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:07,120
was in the house so David had told me

1058
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:12,070
before that when these beings came into

1059
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:15,280
the house he believed that there was an

1060
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:17,110
electrical charge that kind of

1061
00:47:22,350 --> 00:47:19,690
surrounded the place and got into the

1062
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:22,360
soil around the house because thousands

1063
00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:25,920
of my cars would come up to the surface

1064
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:30,460
so as they were filming David inside the

1065
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,420
house David had mentioned that he could

1066
00:47:37,770 --> 00:47:36,160
feel something happening and they're

1067
00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:37,780
looking around they can't tell what's

1068
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:40,390
going on in the house but when they went

1069
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,510
outside there were thousands of these

1070
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:45,520
night crawlers all over the yard on the

1071
00:47:53,310 --> 00:47:49,690
pathway on the sidewalk the driveway and

1072
00:47:55,350 --> 00:47:53,320
David used to tell me every morning that

1073
00:47:57,630 --> 00:47:55,360
he would get up after he'd have an

1074
00:47:59,970 --> 00:47:57,640
encounter at home he had to take the

1075
00:48:02,640 --> 00:47:59,980
hose and wash down the driveway into the

1076
00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:02,650
sidewalks out into the street and they

1077
00:48:08,130 --> 00:48:04,870
were just to raise hell about it he said

1078
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:08,140
all these night girls being washed down

1079
00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:10,540
out into the road every time it happened

1080
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:12,430
these things came up weird what do you

1081
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:14,290
think's behind that some type of field

1082
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:16,090
effect or some type of magnetism

1083
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:19,510
disrupting their navigation perhaps oh I

1084
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:20,950
don't know you know it just seemed that

1085
00:48:25,740 --> 00:48:23,010
everything seemed to light up or become

1086
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:25,750
charged I guess you could say when they

1087
00:48:30,270 --> 00:48:28,210
showed up he said there would be power

1088
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:30,280
surge in the electrical lines sometimes

1089
00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:33,130
he actually thought that some of these

1090
00:48:37,580 --> 00:48:35,620
beings could travel through the

1091
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:37,590
electrical conduits

1092
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:42,180
I did capture an image in his bedroom at

1093
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:45,240
one point where this beam was coming out

1094
00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:48,090
of a wall about half way and then ducked

1095
00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:51,300
back in it was hard to see but it was

1096
00:48:57,110 --> 00:48:54,300
pretty bizarre yeah yeah so you know

1097
00:49:00,140 --> 00:48:57,120
that's basically what was going on with

1098
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:00,150
David I did talk to him occasionally you

1099
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,130
know this was about eight years ago you

1100
00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:05,280
know I started interviewing him and I'm

1101
00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:07,350
interested the key touch within just to

1102
00:49:10,340 --> 00:49:08,790
know what you know try to figure out

1103
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:10,350
what's been going on with him this

1104
00:49:16,310 --> 00:49:14,370
family yeah yeah it's a bizarre it was a

1105
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:16,320
bizarre thing and it's interesting

1106
00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:18,660
because for years she tried to get MUFON

1107
00:49:23,780 --> 00:49:21,240
in Florida getting involved with it and

1108
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,790
they just refused to get involved a lot

1109
00:49:28,070 --> 00:49:25,680
of other investigators turned him down I

1110
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:28,080
just happened to see the video one day

1111
00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:29,970
what somebody had put it up on YouTube

1112
00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:32,280
for him and I started asking around

1113
00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:35,070
wondering where this person was were you

1114
00:49:40,610 --> 00:49:36,780
know where David was where the witness

1115
00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:40,620
was and I got a hold of him by email and

1116
00:49:44,330 --> 00:49:42,390
we eventually started talking you know

1117
00:49:47,540 --> 00:49:44,340
Dave and I talked on the phone I think

1118
00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:47,550
we talked every day for at least four to

1119
00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:53,070
five hours for almost six months yeah he

1120
00:49:57,590 --> 00:49:55,380
was showing me all kinds of video and

1121
00:49:59,810 --> 00:49:57,600
pictures he had taken over the years but

1122
00:50:02,570 --> 00:49:59,820
there's so much evidence and I'm really

1123
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:02,580
I am kind of hesitant to release some of

1124
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:06,270
it I had released part of it but there's

1125
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:09,960
just so much that quite frankly I don't

1126
00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:12,690
think people can handle you know I don't

1127
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:14,190
wanna start sounding like the government

1128
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:16,770
not disclosing anything but yeah man I

1129
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:19,050
personally think that some of this stuff

1130
00:50:23,350 --> 00:50:20,970
is maybe more than what people can

1131
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:23,360
handle well hearing about

1132
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:26,690
experimentation on live people and a

1133
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,480
cauldron of dead bodies is it's a lot to

1134
00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:32,160
take in I mean that alone is a lot to

1135
00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:34,500
take in but you mentioned these glyphs

1136
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:37,800
and these formulas like I've seen some

1137
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:39,210
pictures of those that you've posted

1138
00:50:44,570 --> 00:50:43,110
super fascinating and no educated person

1139
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:44,580
that you forwarded these to has been

1140
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:47,220
able to make heads or tails of it at all

1141
00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:49,410
have there been any decent guesses

1142
00:50:56,810 --> 00:50:52,320
I sent it to three mathematicians one a

1143
00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:56,820
Caltech one an MIT and another ad RAM

1144
00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,880
and none of them could make heads or

1145
00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:02,160
tails what a mad Wow

1146
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:05,400
I was thinking about sending to someone

1147
00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:07,380
into quantum physics that's what David

1148
00:51:11,570 --> 00:51:09,180
said he thought it might be work but I

1149
00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:11,580
had one individual tell me that there's

1150
00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:14,760
nothing in physics that even comes close

1151
00:51:21,050 --> 00:51:17,750
to being able to decipher what that was

1152
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,060
hmm and I brought that up because we

1153
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:24,240
were talking about the other possible

1154
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:26,220
motivations for alien abduction other

1155
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,770
than hybridization you know what do you

1156
00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:30,720
think the motivation was in David's case

1157
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:33,630
is it just to transport this information

1158
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:35,220
to him somehow I mean because if you see

1159
00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:37,500
in slave's and medical experiments it's

1160
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,540
interesting that he wouldn't be used in

1161
00:51:44,660 --> 00:51:42,480
that same way yeah I thought that was

1162
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:44,670
interesting there were some things that

1163
00:51:48,350 --> 00:51:46,500
had occurred you know one particular

1164
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:48,360
time he told me that he and his family

1165
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:50,730
were sitting down for breakfast one

1166
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,370
morning and all of a sudden he saw this

1167
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:55,920
group of these small aliens walking out

1168
00:52:00,880 --> 00:51:57,660
of the living room into the kitchen and

1169
00:52:04,070 --> 00:52:00,890
just walking by them he questioned it

1170
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:04,080
when that reptilian came a couple days

1171
00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:08,730
later basically what he was told is that

1172
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:10,980
they were giving these other alien

1173
00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:12,570
beings tours that they were so

1174
00:52:18,019 --> 00:52:16,380
fascinated by the way humans lived

1175
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,029
that they were almost like giving him a

1176
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:21,119
tour of David's place Wow I know it

1177
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:25,609
sounds bizarre but he was dead serious

1178
00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:29,849
so I tell ya it's like I jump in the

1179
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:31,559
wormhole or whatever you want to call it

1180
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:33,480
but every time I talk about or think

1181
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:35,730
about it it really is some fascinating

1182
00:52:41,230 --> 00:52:38,490
stuff you know I had talked a lot of

1183
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:41,240
people about this over the years and

1184
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:45,119
there have been people that have told me

1185
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:47,369
stories that closely resembled some of

1186
00:52:54,019 --> 00:52:50,640
this stuff as well so you know I don't

1187
00:52:57,980 --> 00:52:54,029
know why he was chosen to see this

1188
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:57,990
they told him a few things that may

1189
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:00,900
happen in the future that haven't

1190
00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:03,240
happened and I don't know if they're

1191
00:53:07,789 --> 00:53:06,150
gonna happen but they gave dates you

1192
00:53:11,180 --> 00:53:07,799
know when the certain date comes up

1193
00:53:13,549 --> 00:53:11,190
every year I just kind of hold my breath

1194
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:13,559
hoping nothing's gonna happen this has

1195
00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:16,910
been going now for about six years and

1196
00:53:22,339 --> 00:53:19,380
I'm not gonna mention the date I told

1197
00:53:24,170 --> 00:53:22,349
David I wouldn't do that but it see

1198
00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:24,180
every year when this date comes up I'm

1199
00:53:29,660 --> 00:53:25,710
holding my breath hoping something

1200
00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:29,670
doesn't happen right Wow and you already

1201
00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:31,500
kind of mentioned this but I've read

1202
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:35,700
through his reports and I wrote this

1203
00:53:39,529 --> 00:53:37,170
down because it was just a really

1204
00:53:41,210 --> 00:53:39,539
interesting paragraph but he says David

1205
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:41,220
describes seeing vast underground

1206
00:53:45,799 --> 00:53:43,710
caverns that he was told were under the

1207
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,809
Earth's surface in these caverns it

1208
00:53:50,569 --> 00:53:48,240
became obvious what species was in

1209
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:50,579
charge the reptilians there were other

1210
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:53,609
beans as well namely the lesser class or

1211
00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:56,400
greys as well as other species these

1212
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,440
caverns appeared to be some type of

1213
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:00,960
mining operation that uses manual labor

1214
00:54:07,249 --> 00:54:05,160
this included human laborers and I love

1215
00:54:09,529 --> 00:54:07,259
anything that has to do with the

1216
00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:09,539
underground is there anything more you

1217
00:54:15,049 --> 00:54:11,940
could tell us about maybe other species

1218
00:54:18,980 --> 00:54:15,059
he saw or the scope of these operations

1219
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:18,990
that are supposed to be underground I do

1220
00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:21,690
know that there are so many different

1221
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:24,660
types of grey beings you know you hear

1222
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:27,000
about the small greys and the tall greys

1223
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:30,090
well he told me at one point he thought

1224
00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:31,710
there were at least 11 different types

1225
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:34,590
of brave beings there are some that are

1226
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:37,440
just workers or some that are kind of a

1227
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:39,510
hierarchy you know I've had other

1228
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:42,630
abduction reports over the years it

1229
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:46,530
seems to me that the reptilians are more

1230
00:54:53,540 --> 00:54:50,310
like foremen and that another group of

1231
00:54:55,220 --> 00:54:53,550
like insectoid type beings are usually

1232
00:54:58,100 --> 00:54:55,230
the ones in charge everything but I

1233
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:58,110
think these beings that are said to be

1234
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:01,520
in sect order basically some type of

1235
00:55:10,090 --> 00:55:05,910
reptilian that has morphed into another

1236
00:55:13,070 --> 00:55:10,100
level hmm like a butterfly in a cocoon

1237
00:55:15,830 --> 00:55:13,080
basically a metamorphosis you know I

1238
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:15,840
believe that's actually what happens now

1239
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:18,210
I have talked a few people about that

1240
00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:20,370
some who say that well you know you

1241
00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:21,990
can't prove any and I came through that

1242
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:24,180
but I'm just going about what I hear you

1243
00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:26,310
know in just what people tell me that

1244
00:55:32,780 --> 00:55:30,180
they've seen you know as far as suppose

1245
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:32,790
of hybrid I think there is some hybrid

1246
00:55:38,330 --> 00:55:36,240
programs but I don't believe that that's

1247
00:55:41,180 --> 00:55:38,340
the main reason why people are abducted

1248
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:41,190
right I'm sure it's a whole bunch of

1249
00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:43,170
reasons yeah I think the biggest reason

1250
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,230
is tissue collection or body fluid

1251
00:55:51,620 --> 00:55:49,040
collection for certain other reasons

1252
00:55:55,450 --> 00:55:51,630
maybe why I mean that scope out to just

1253
00:56:02,180 --> 00:55:55,460
say medical procedures might be better

1254
00:56:03,710 --> 00:56:02,190
experimentation yeah yeah and also just

1255
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:03,720
before we start really wrapping it up

1256
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:05,640
your next book from what I understand is

1257
00:56:12,140 --> 00:56:08,970
going to be on UFO encounters right

1258
00:56:14,270 --> 00:56:12,150
I decide to change that okay I'm gonna

1259
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:14,280
concentrate on what's going on Chicago

1260
00:56:19,580 --> 00:56:17,520
yeah why's because there's some

1261
00:56:21,950 --> 00:56:19,590
behind-the-scenes stuff that hasn't been

1262
00:56:25,070 --> 00:56:21,960
disclosed that very well may be able to

1263
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:25,080
disclose later on down the road but I

1264
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:26,940
want to get it down in writing I want to

1265
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:28,800
get it all together put a few of my

1266
00:56:32,900 --> 00:56:30,630
thoughts into it maybe a little

1267
00:56:36,109 --> 00:56:32,910
speculation on my part other than what

1268
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:36,119
I've already speculated but uh you know

1269
00:56:41,630 --> 00:56:38,609
I don't know I think a book may be

1270
00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:41,640
warranted absolutely I would say so I

1271
00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:43,950
mean considering this is setting the

1272
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:46,020
record for a concentration of sites

1273
00:56:51,260 --> 00:56:48,450
going back all the way to Point Pleasant

1274
00:56:53,420 --> 00:56:51,270
yeah warrants a book yeah I really don't

1275
00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:53,430
want to relate it to what happened to

1276
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:55,800
Point Pleasant you know all the strange

1277
00:56:59,810 --> 00:56:57,570
activity that happened during that

1278
00:57:03,109 --> 00:56:59,820
period you know there may be some

1279
00:57:05,570 --> 00:57:03,119
correlation eventually but right you

1280
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:05,580
know I just I don't know I don't know I

1281
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:07,140
know you know where this whole thing's

1282
00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:09,300
gonna leave me too I mean this thing

1283
00:57:13,579 --> 00:57:11,790
could continue to go on for indefinite I

1284
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:13,589
mean I don't know yeah I mean well

1285
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:15,450
that's half the fun of it I'm kind of

1286
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:17,130
thinking of when the weather changes

1287
00:57:22,220 --> 00:57:19,890
maybe me and all the snow is hitting in

1288
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:22,230
Chicago maybe it's taking bite level off

1289
00:57:27,980 --> 00:57:25,020
so I'm out right right well you know we

1290
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:27,990
also had the great American Eclipse who

1291
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:29,609
knows if it has something to do with

1292
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:32,310
some aspect of our cosmic grandfather

1293
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:33,839
clock you know some kind of portal

1294
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:36,710
opening in relation to that event you

1295
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:39,690
know who knows I mean I had people that

1296
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:42,720
are scared to death that kim jeong-hoon

1297
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:44,609
is gonna drop a nuclear weapon on

1298
00:57:49,849 --> 00:57:47,280
Chicago and that this is some portent of

1299
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:49,859
doom I don't know you know I hear all

1300
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:51,450
kinds of things you know people are

1301
00:57:55,940 --> 00:57:53,490
freaking out but I tried to spell that

1302
00:57:59,480 --> 00:57:55,950
as best I can I'm telling you I did hear

1303
00:58:01,460 --> 00:57:59,490
people talk about the Eclipse and what

1304
00:58:03,710 --> 00:58:01,470
was going on Scott but in fact you know

1305
00:58:04,579 --> 00:58:03,720
there was a sighting in Chicago during

1306
00:58:07,250 --> 00:58:04,589
the Eclipse

1307
00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:07,260
hi yeah and a lot of people saw it

1308
00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:09,900
tickets right downtown right by the

1309
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,839
harbor so I guess one more question

1310
00:58:18,109 --> 00:58:14,480
would be on when it comes to the

1311
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:18,119
sightings in Chicago what is the largest

1312
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:20,490
number of people that have been able to

1313
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:22,799
corroborate a single sighting

1314
00:58:27,739 --> 00:58:25,170
I guess the Adler Planetarium sightings

1315
00:58:31,809 --> 00:58:27,749
the sighting of the other polarity reom

1316
00:58:35,169 --> 00:58:31,819
we've had two groups that saw this thing

1317
00:58:38,029 --> 00:58:35,179
as well as the thing at auburn gresham

1318
00:58:41,299 --> 00:58:38,039
or we had two two police officers then I

1319
00:58:43,339 --> 00:58:41,309
had another witness come forward had

1320
00:58:44,719 --> 00:58:43,349
seen this thing in the nearby tree

1321
00:58:46,759 --> 00:58:44,729
before the police have gotten that

1322
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:46,769
people have been seeing that thing in

1323
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:48,089
that neighborhood for about two days

1324
00:58:55,579 --> 00:58:53,640
prior to that as well damn that's just

1325
00:58:57,709 --> 00:58:55,589
amazing and I think it adds so much

1326
00:59:01,099 --> 00:58:57,719
credibility to have a group sighting

1327
00:59:03,019 --> 00:59:01,109
like that just amazing and to have a

1328
00:59:05,029 --> 00:59:03,029
concentration of sightings like we're

1329
00:59:06,979 --> 00:59:05,039
having in Chicago just blows my mind I

1330
00:59:09,799 --> 00:59:06,989
love it along with all the other wild

1331
00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:09,809
stuff we talked about before we do close

1332
00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:12,359
it out please remind people where they

1333
00:59:16,009 --> 00:59:13,559
can go to follow up on your

1334
00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:16,019
investigations to get your books or you

1335
00:59:18,769 --> 00:59:17,369
know to contact you with their own

1336
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:18,779
reports if they see something strange

1337
00:59:24,109 --> 00:59:21,569
out there well everything's listed on

1338
00:59:25,999 --> 00:59:24,119
phantoms and monsters calm on the

1339
00:59:27,529 --> 00:59:26,009
right-hand column I've got a couple of

1340
00:59:28,729 --> 00:59:27,539
links there to some of the bigger

1341
00:59:32,539 --> 00:59:28,739
stories some of the things we're

1342
00:59:35,779 --> 00:59:32,549
investigating now I've got 8 9 years

1343
00:59:38,329 --> 00:59:35,789
where the stories in the archive as well

1344
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,339
as you can get a daily newsletter free

1345
00:59:42,709 --> 00:59:40,319
daily newsletter if you sign up for it

1346
00:59:45,169 --> 00:59:42,719
if you see something you can call me

1347
00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:45,179
directly at four one zero two four one

1348
00:59:51,919 --> 00:59:49,380
five nine seven four or send an email to

1349
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:51,929
lawn Strickler at phantoms of monster

1350
00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:54,900
calm or go to the website there are

1351
00:59:59,959 --> 00:59:56,609
several links area where you can make a

1352
01:00:02,660 --> 00:59:59,969
report or send an email off to me and my

1353
01:00:04,999 --> 01:00:02,670
books can be found on Amazon all you

1354
01:00:07,069 --> 01:00:05,009
gotta do is put lawn Strickler or fans

1355
01:00:09,769 --> 01:00:07,079
of monsters in the search and they'll

1356
01:00:11,809 --> 01:00:09,779
all come up boom there you have it

1357
01:00:12,439 --> 01:00:11,819
people if you see something say

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01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:12,449
something

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01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:15,839
lawn great talking with you good luck on

1360
01:00:19,249 --> 01:00:17,819
the book thanks again so much you really

1361
01:00:21,529 --> 01:00:19,259
are the tip of the spear when it comes

1362
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:21,539
to you cryptid so I really appreciate

1363
01:00:24,259 --> 01:00:22,799
you spending some time with me and

1364
01:00:25,969 --> 01:00:24,269
updating the people on the latest

1365
01:00:28,339 --> 01:00:25,979
hopefully we can do this again sometime

1366
01:00:30,769 --> 01:00:28,349
if it keeps up but until then keep doing

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01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:30,779
what you do man make my pleasure thank

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01:00:35,569 --> 01:00:32,880
you you got it

1369
01:00:37,460 --> 01:00:35,579
so there it is ladies and gentlemen lawn

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01:00:39,739 --> 01:00:37,470
Strickler or the cryptid king of

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01:00:41,690 --> 01:00:39,749
Pennsylvania the lifeblood of phantoms

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01:00:44,450 --> 01:00:41,700
and monsters one of the best cryptid

1373
01:00:46,279 --> 01:00:44,460
news sites on the internet and I just

1374
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:46,289
find this to be so fascinating this is

1375
01:00:51,229 --> 01:00:48,900
such a large group of sightings just let

1376
01:00:54,019 --> 01:00:51,239
me run through the headlines here that

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01:00:56,779 --> 01:00:54,029
like object witnessed over Chicago new

1378
01:00:59,469 --> 01:00:56,789
Mothman like encounter in Chicago first

1379
01:01:01,930 --> 01:00:59,479
Chicago owl man eyewitness and Oz Park

1380
01:01:04,969 --> 01:01:01,940
Mothman seen again by multiple witnesses

1381
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:04,979
third Chicago owl man sighting reported

1382
01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:07,079
fourth sighting giant bat over Lake

1383
01:01:11,809 --> 01:01:09,720
Michigan Bat Out of Hell witnessed by

1384
01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:11,819
father and son little kelmot river in

1385
01:01:17,299 --> 01:01:14,729
chicago big humanoid bat witnessed over

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01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,309
calment park pair of large bat light

1387
01:01:21,739 --> 01:01:19,680
humanoids in downtown chicago flying

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01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:21,749
humanoid sighting confirmed downtown

1389
01:01:25,819 --> 01:01:24,960
large black flying man site in Calment

1390
01:01:28,099 --> 01:01:25,829
park neighborhood

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01:01:29,989 --> 01:01:28,109
truck driver observes large bat like

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01:01:32,299 --> 01:01:29,999
humanoid gliding over Cicero Illinois

1393
01:01:35,390 --> 01:01:32,309
large winged humanoid encountered again

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01:01:37,849 --> 01:01:35,400
in Lincoln Park jogger encounter Chicago

1395
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:37,859
phantom near Navy Pier giant red-eyed

1396
01:01:43,279 --> 01:01:40,200
bat flies over couple in Chicago's

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01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:43,289
Lakeview large human-like black bat seen

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01:01:47,809 --> 01:01:45,180
by multiple witnesses at Adler

1399
01:01:50,539 --> 01:01:47,819
Planetarium that like humanoid seen

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01:01:52,759 --> 01:01:50,549
flying over Logan Square Chicago police

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01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:52,769
officer reports phantom sightings in

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01:01:57,469 --> 01:01:54,930
Auburn Grissom neighborhood second

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01:01:59,690 --> 01:01:57,479
phantom leaps from Willis Tower huge

1404
01:02:02,779 --> 01:01:59,700
black shape seen gliding over Albany

1405
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:02,789
Park human shape shifts into giant black

1406
01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:06,089
bird on Chicago tri-state Tollway giant

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01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:08,190
fat like entity emerges from under

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01:02:14,180 --> 01:02:11,039
Chicago's lakefront overpass 7-foot tall

1409
01:02:16,819 --> 01:02:14,190
man bat creature perched on downtown

1410
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:16,829
Chicago street lamp Chicago phantom

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01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,440
flying over Melrose Park winged humanoid

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01:02:24,709 --> 01:02:21,839
confronts shocking Chicago witnesses big

1413
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:24,719
owl circles offshore near Chicago's Ohio

1414
01:02:30,499 --> 01:02:27,930
Street Beach big winged bean observed on

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01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:30,509
Chicago suburb house roof Chicago

1416
01:02:34,969 --> 01:02:32,249
phantom makes another appearance at

1417
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:34,979
Lollapalooza Chicago phantom sighting

1418
01:02:39,469 --> 01:02:37,650
red eyes over the water strange creature

1419
01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:39,479
witnessed over Burnham Harbor before

1420
01:02:45,019 --> 01:02:42,329
solar eclipse and shadowy beam lurking

1421
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:45,029
about in Chicago's wicker park I skipped

1422
01:02:47,780 --> 01:02:46,170
a lot of them there because they

1423
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:47,790
are kind of repetitive headlines but

1424
01:02:53,180 --> 01:02:50,730
that's something that I don't think we

1425
01:02:54,530 --> 01:02:53,190
should just straight-up ignore I think

1426
01:02:56,540 --> 01:02:54,540
it's tough to say people are seeing

1427
01:02:58,490 --> 01:02:56,550
nothing or that they're miss identifying

1428
01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:58,500
something which would have such similar

1429
01:03:03,590 --> 01:03:01,380
descriptions I also find it suspect that

1430
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:03,600
MUFON has gotten reports lawns clearly

1431
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:05,370
gotten reports but Freedom of

1432
01:03:09,380 --> 01:03:07,050
Information Act requests returned

1433
01:03:11,330 --> 01:03:09,390
nothing nobody is called the police on

1434
01:03:13,580 --> 01:03:11,340
this even though a couple officers are

1435
01:03:15,620 --> 01:03:13,590
actually in the witness pool I don't

1436
01:03:17,690 --> 01:03:15,630
like that something definitely seems off

1437
01:03:19,820 --> 01:03:17,700
there and I know lawn doesn't really

1438
01:03:21,710 --> 01:03:19,830
like the harbinger of doom angle

1439
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:21,720
I think it's incomplete at best too

1440
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:23,850
personally but I've been told Nick

1441
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:25,110
Redfern has written a couple pieces

1442
01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:27,510
about strange apocalyptic dreams in the

1443
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:30,180
Chicago area specifically recently so

1444
01:03:33,890 --> 01:03:32,490
that's worth mentioning even though I do

1445
01:03:36,350 --> 01:03:33,900
think that that should be thought about

1446
01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:36,360
symbolically if it's connected at all

1447
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:38,220
I don't think these are signs of a

1448
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:40,170
literal apocalypse but there's still

1449
01:03:44,750 --> 01:03:41,970
something to throw on the pile of weird

1450
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:44,760
and I know I'll get people say no these

1451
01:03:49,580 --> 01:03:46,380
cryptid episodes are just dumb

1452
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:49,590
distractions but I really disagree first

1453
01:03:54,290 --> 01:03:52,530
I do them pretty rarely because you

1454
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,300
don't need constant updates but it's

1455
01:03:57,710 --> 01:03:56,160
something to keep an eye on and I know

1456
01:04:00,110 --> 01:03:57,720
I've said many times that I've never

1457
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:00,120
really seen anything and it's pretty

1458
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:01,890
late in the game now to disclose that I

1459
01:04:05,540 --> 01:04:03,690
have but truthfully I did see something

1460
01:04:07,970 --> 01:04:05,550
strange when I was a kid and I don't

1461
01:04:10,370 --> 01:04:07,980
talk about it because number one I've

1462
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:10,380
never really heard a matching encrypted

1463
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,450
description it wasn't a Bigfoot it

1464
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:14,400
wasn't an owl man so I don't really have

1465
01:04:19,610 --> 01:04:17,250
a box to put it in number two it was a

1466
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:19,620
pretty short situation probably 30

1467
01:04:23,810 --> 01:04:22,410
seconds or so which can feel like an

1468
01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:23,820
eternity when you're staring at a

1469
01:04:27,620 --> 01:04:26,220
clearly intelligent and unknown beam but

1470
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:27,630
it's still a short amount of time not

1471
01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:29,910
much happens other than it spots you and

1472
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:32,220
then runs away number three I didn't

1473
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:33,510
want to be one of those kinds of hosts

1474
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:35,130
that makes everything about them and

1475
01:04:38,060 --> 01:04:36,570
puts themselves at the center of

1476
01:04:40,070 --> 01:04:38,070
everything and I still don't want to be

1477
01:04:41,630 --> 01:04:40,080
that and number four I'm the only one

1478
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:41,640
who saw it although my parents were

1479
01:04:44,990 --> 01:04:43,200
close enough to know that I called out

1480
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:45,000
for them and ended up a sobbing mess

1481
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,010
when I knew they didn't see it also and

1482
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:49,200
the only reason I'm saying something now

1483
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:51,330
and I'm also not going into a ton of

1484
01:04:55,250 --> 01:04:53,130
detail is because it did come up with

1485
01:04:56,510 --> 01:04:55,260
Gordon white when he had me on rune soup

1486
01:04:58,640 --> 01:04:56,520
recently and I think it's going to be

1487
01:04:59,680 --> 01:04:58,650
his next episode it feels like it would

1488
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:59,690
be kind

1489
01:05:03,790 --> 01:05:01,520
shitty to undercut that and leapfrog

1490
01:05:06,370 --> 01:05:03,800
this in front of him

1491
01:05:08,859 --> 01:05:06,380
seems like poor podcast etiquette right

1492
01:05:10,329 --> 01:05:08,869
if there really is any but I think I'm

1493
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:10,339
gonna write something up for the forum's

1494
01:05:14,410 --> 01:05:12,530
because there have been some odd things

1495
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:14,420
in my life that when you put them in

1496
01:05:19,210 --> 01:05:16,910
aggregate and you also put them in the

1497
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:19,220
context of a guy who ended up on the

1498
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:22,400
path of conspiracy podcaster they become

1499
01:05:27,010 --> 01:05:24,530
a bit weirder and a bit more impactful

1500
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:27,020
and I do think cryptids are out there I

1501
01:05:31,630 --> 01:05:29,210
don't consider them flesh-and-blood

1502
01:05:33,370 --> 01:05:31,640
animals only that they can appear that

1503
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:33,380
way and you can say it's a dumb

1504
01:05:37,300 --> 01:05:35,450
distraction not worth exploring but if

1505
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:37,310
you saw something unexplainable even

1506
01:05:41,740 --> 01:05:39,770
briefly you'd probably keep checking in

1507
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:41,750
on the latest encrypted research every

1508
01:05:47,140 --> 01:05:45,530
so often and so we do I mean biologists

1509
01:05:48,970 --> 01:05:47,150
are getting hard over the discovery of a

1510
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:48,980
new color a frog in the Amazon but they

1511
01:05:53,010 --> 01:05:50,329
don't want to look at this stuff not

1512
01:05:55,930 --> 01:05:53,020
even curious I find that hard to believe

1513
01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:55,940
but anyway that's the show hear me on

1514
01:06:00,220 --> 01:05:58,130
rune soup this week I'm also really

1515
01:06:01,780 --> 01:06:00,230
happy with the next two episodes of THC

1516
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:01,790
that you're gonna get both of them are

1517
01:06:05,740 --> 01:06:03,680
return guests expanding on their

1518
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:05,750
previous appearances because their areas

1519
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:07,849
of expertise definitely need an update

1520
01:06:13,450 --> 01:06:10,250
and to be honest both guests sort of

1521
01:06:15,130 --> 01:06:13,460
come with some lifestyle or personal

1522
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:15,140
belief system elements that I'm not a

1523
01:06:19,059 --> 01:06:17,599
big fan of it's true whether it's the

1524
01:06:20,980 --> 01:06:19,069
consequence of being raised with a

1525
01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:20,990
military background or someone who's

1526
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:23,990
deeply religious these things don't vibe

1527
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:26,450
with me at all but I sort of ignore

1528
01:06:30,460 --> 01:06:28,160
those aspects because what they have to

1529
01:06:32,859 --> 01:06:30,470
share is so fascinating and few can do

1530
01:06:34,569 --> 01:06:32,869
it better and it is partly these

1531
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:34,579
elements that I'm not a fan of that

1532
01:06:39,579 --> 01:06:36,770
actually drive a person to do the

1533
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:39,589
research so it is all connected but I

1534
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:41,810
say this all the time try not to hang on

1535
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:44,480
every word a person says I always see

1536
01:06:48,910 --> 01:06:46,609
comments well I had to turn this off as

1537
01:06:50,829 --> 01:06:48,920
soon as the guest set X and I think a

1538
01:06:52,300 --> 01:06:50,839
lot of the time we are missing the

1539
01:06:54,460 --> 01:06:52,310
forest for the trees if you're

1540
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:54,470
open-minded and know how to interpret or

1541
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:57,920
even sidestep a person's biases you can

1542
01:07:02,410 --> 01:07:00,079
still learn a lot from them and maybe

1543
01:07:04,450 --> 01:07:02,420
it's my bias but what I'm saying is we

1544
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:04,460
don't all look through the same lens and

1545
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,290
if we can take a person's research and

1546
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:08,480
reconfigure it for our own lens I think

1547
01:07:12,190 --> 01:07:10,490
we're better off than saying oh this

1548
01:07:13,150 --> 01:07:12,200
guest doesn't believe in chemtrails so

1549
01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:13,160
I'm not going to listen to what they

1550
01:07:15,340 --> 01:07:13,380
have

1551
01:07:17,420 --> 01:07:15,350
say about the history of false flags or

1552
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,430
this guest drinks the kool-aid on

1553
01:07:21,650 --> 01:07:19,200
vaccine so I can't hear what they have

1554
01:07:23,930 --> 01:07:21,660
to say about astrology or this guy's

1555
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,940
research GMOs his whole life but because

1556
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:25,440
he made a comment about the moon-landing

1557
01:07:30,350 --> 01:07:27,570
happening I think he must be a

1558
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:30,360
disinformation agent you know stuff like

1559
01:07:34,340 --> 01:07:32,310
that and sometimes it is surprising to

1560
01:07:37,010 --> 01:07:34,350
find out a person sees through illusion

1561
01:07:38,690 --> 01:07:37,020
a but is caught up in illusion B but

1562
01:07:40,970 --> 01:07:38,700
that's life we're all on our own journey

1563
01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:40,980
trying to navigate this weird reality

1564
01:07:45,980 --> 01:07:43,380
and I hope by now higher side listeners

1565
01:07:48,140 --> 01:07:45,990
can see why a person was brought here

1566
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:48,150
and if they make a poorly thought-out

1567
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:51,030
comment on something unrelated I don't

1568
01:07:54,530 --> 01:07:53,010
think we should crucify them just put

1569
01:07:57,290 --> 01:07:54,540
them in the proper context and that

1570
01:07:59,150 --> 01:07:57,300
includes me but that was a rather

1571
01:08:00,770 --> 01:07:59,160
unnecessary rant about something that

1572
01:08:03,110 --> 01:08:00,780
had nothing to do with today's show in

1573
01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:03,120
fact I actually like how in a lot of

1574
01:08:06,860 --> 01:08:04,980
interviews when it does get political or

1575
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:06,870
off-topic with lon he isn't shy about

1576
01:08:12,020 --> 01:08:09,330
saying I don't know about that or I

1577
01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:12,030
don't really want to go there etc and

1578
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:13,740
that's a pretty smart way to be in a

1579
01:08:17,750 --> 01:08:15,330
time where everyone is looking for a

1580
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:17,760
reason to pounce on you that said one

1581
01:08:21,350 --> 01:08:19,440
other little bit of news like I

1582
01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:21,360
mentioned I'm going to be on the next

1583
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:22,980
episode of rune soup I'm also going to

1584
01:08:27,380 --> 01:08:24,930
be on the next episode of tinfoil hat

1585
01:08:30,260 --> 01:08:27,390
with Sam Tripoli and I'm going to be

1586
01:08:33,260 --> 01:08:30,270
doing a reddit AMA this Thursday at 6

1587
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:33,270
p.m. Pacific time I'm really excited

1588
01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:34,890
about it I think it's a pretty big plug

1589
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:37,080
for me in the show if you're unfamiliar

1590
01:08:42,140 --> 01:08:39,330
with reddit AMA stands for ask me

1591
01:08:45,470 --> 01:08:42,150
anything so it's like a text comment

1592
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:45,480
based QA and reddit can be a raw in

1593
01:08:49,820 --> 01:08:47,310
harsh crowd so hopefully I don't get

1594
01:08:51,860 --> 01:08:49,830
beat up too badly but come join in if

1595
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:51,870
you want to ask me some questions I've

1596
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:53,970
read a lot of AMA so I think I know what

1597
01:09:00,620 --> 01:08:56,640
separates a good one from a bad one so

1598
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:00,630
reddit.com slash are slash conspiracy at

1599
01:09:07,820 --> 01:09:03,930
6:00 p.m. on Thursday the 14th so be

1600
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:07,830
there or move on with your life of

1601
01:09:11,180 --> 01:09:09,570
course today's free show with lon

1602
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:11,190
covered everything we could about the

1603
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:13,290
almond sightings and we got in-depth

1604
01:09:18,050 --> 01:09:15,810
into the strange David Eckert case and

1605
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:18,060
in the Plus show we tackled several

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01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:20,850
other open cases lon has on his plate we

1607
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:23,010
got into underground reptilian humanoid

1608
01:09:26,910 --> 01:09:25,410
encounters in Missouri the strange death

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01:09:29,340 --> 01:09:26,920
the Todd sees

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01:09:31,620 --> 01:09:29,350
problems with mufon dog man wolf man

1611
01:09:34,740 --> 01:09:31,630
sightings in Pennsylvania skinwalkers

1612
01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:34,750
lawns personal alien encounters and one

1613
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:36,190
of the creepier things I've seen on

1614
01:09:41,850 --> 01:09:37,750
YouTube whether it was fake or not

1615
01:09:43,950 --> 01:09:41,860
flying manta ray entities all sorts of

1616
01:09:46,020 --> 01:09:43,960
wild stuff please do consider signing up

1617
01:09:48,090 --> 01:09:46,030
for plus to support the show and get the

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01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:48,100
full episodes I think I have one of the

1619
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:50,110
most honest pitches in podcasting I

1620
01:09:54,270 --> 01:09:52,090
don't try to pretend I'm suffering and

1621
01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:54,280
raise a lot of drama over this or that

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:56,590
or server costs even though anyone

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01:10:01,470 --> 01:09:58,330
paying attention knows it's been a rough

1624
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:01,480
summer for us that's my [\h__\h] to handle I

1625
01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:04,930
say sign up for THC plus for you not for

1626
01:10:09,390 --> 01:10:07,300
me if you like the show pick it up I

1627
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:09,400
keep the price basically as low as it

1628
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:11,170
can be because you do have to pay

1629
01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:13,450
processing fees and service fees for

1630
01:10:17,580 --> 01:10:14,830
having companies process the

1631
01:10:20,730 --> 01:10:17,590
transactions so if it's like 45 cents a

1632
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:20,740
transaction plus 5% I mean there's

1633
01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:23,440
nothing there at less than five bucks so

1634
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:25,510
I do like the McDonald's approach low

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01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:27,760
price low barrier of entry and

1636
01:10:33,570 --> 01:10:30,490
high-volume I want people to have every

1637
01:10:36,690 --> 01:10:33,580
reason to get the free show so that's

1638
01:10:38,850 --> 01:10:36,700
how we do it and hopefully THC plus is

1639
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:38,860
better for you than McDonald's it's hard

1640
01:10:42,410 --> 01:10:40,530
to be worse right

1641
01:10:44,209 --> 01:10:42,420
but that's it for me I love you guys

1642
01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:44,219
keep your seats laid-back your glasses

1643
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:45,960
packed in your pimp and strong out there

1644
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:48,449
and I'll see you soon your move

1645
01:10:51,879 --> 01:10:50,730
owl men man bats and odd ethereal

1646
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:51,889
entities of our mysterious

1647
01:10:57,770 --> 01:10:55,510
multi-dimensional reality you're [\h__\h]

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01:11:02,960 --> 01:10:57,780
[Music]

1649
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:02,970
woke up this morning with light in my

1650
01:11:11,779 --> 01:11:07,910
eyes and then realized it was dark

1651
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:18,740
it was like coming down from the sky I

1652
01:11:24,090 --> 01:11:26,720
you

1653
01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:31,820
must be those strangers that come every

1654
01:11:40,970 --> 01:11:37,020
night who's a saucer-shaped a light but

1655
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:40,980
people die

1656
01:11:51,790 --> 01:11:44,480
the blue-green footprint is my

1657
01:11:57,580 --> 01:11:51,800
glow-in-the-dark I hope they get home

1658
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:03,740
mr. spaceman won't you please take me

1659
01:12:20,850 --> 01:12:13,050
along I won't do anything wrong hey mr.

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01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:28,340
[Music]

1661
01:12:39,759 --> 01:12:32,850
feeling quite weird I had its lights in

1662
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:46,479
open my window late written lightning so

1663
01:12:59,230 --> 01:12:49,690
long we'll see you

1664
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:02,030
won't you please give me

1665
01:13:12,180 --> 01:13:10,800
I won't do anything wrong hey mr.

1666
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:12,190
spaceman

1667
01:13:27,419 --> 01:13:13,850
[Music]

1668
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:27,429
this space man

1669
01:13:45,699 --> 01:13:33,530
or - please take me alone how long do

1670
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:45,709
anything why don't you please take me

1671
01:13:49,449 --> 01:13:53,270
aren't you pleased

1672
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:59,950
take me along the high